I didn't say we shouldn't. Just not to get your hopes up.
Personally, I think we'd have more luck tapping the actual Porter directly, if we could gain access. Especially with all the imPort engineers/hackers/physicists running around this world. The imPorts on the submarine spoke to the Russian's LACKEY and the lore of this world suggests Fates or gods or such brought us here. Whether our imPorting Porter is AI, otherworldly, or organic, hacking or talking to the Porter itself has the possibility to yield information we could then use to our benefit.
Rather than trying to make a Porter from scratch--AGAIN--when so many here seem to have/had the skills to do so or just plain have porter-like abilities of their own...but still haven't found a way to leave this world.
Do you? Resources have a way of getting used up faster than anticipated. That, and management often decides halfway through you'd better make do with less than you'd originally been granted.
I'd like to see a budget for the project then. I'd like to see a proposal more than "I know a guy"--because who doesn't? I'd like something to compare against previous attempts to see if he's actually addressing this in a new way.
Bless your heart, but to what department do YOU belong? Because unless you're one of our science specialists, or you expect to beat it with a monkey wrench and produce some results, I think you should hand over you contact's information to the people who can better assess this project. ^_^
disproving a theory and discrediting and eliminating a means of achieving a desired goal to narrow the possibilities via experimentation is just as acceptable and valuable in the trial and error studies conducted through the scientific method as experimentation to find a more direct path to achieve the same goal.
and i belong in the 'i'm one of the ones that tells you what to do' department.
Speaking from the point of view of a person who has conducted research: Yes, repeating experiments can be valuable and disproving through experimentation is definitely the way to go. Trial and error and making mistakes and learning IS great. However: trial and error is about trying NEW things and allowing for those failures. Don't beat a dead horse. Einstein called "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" insanity. I won't go that far, as I don't like the word, but it IS foolish. KNOW PAST PROJECTS. Do your own research before wasting funding and rehashing and repeating what others have done before you...with no effect.
You want to back your horse in this race?--fine, but you might have asked me how track conditions were, how the race went, before, when MY horse ran (ie, oh, IO, you knew a guy who built a porter and it didn't work? might we compare notes? instead of a blind "but I still want to try")--you might also have come to this meeting with more than a vague concept, hope, and a politician-like boast of "we're going to do this thing" with no clear explanation of how or how much.
Resources we may have now--there are always an abundance of resources FOR A TIME. It is not always the case. Waste not, want not, as the adage goes.
So I am asking, as a member of your science department and therefore someone with the skills, background, and knowledge that makes me QUALIFIED TO ASK QUESTIONS AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS REGARDLESS OF PAYGRADE--to see something evaluating your "guy" and his Porter idea. To see you come up with an outline, a proposal with budget and plan BEFORE seeing anyone attempting to implement any of it. I have watched resources squandered because someone had a great idea...but no plan on how to do it, or spent more time repeating previous/similar project's design flaws because they didn't do THEIR RESEARCH/learn from someone else's mistakes.
I've dealt with a lot of people who claim the "ones that tells you what to do" department title. It doesn't necessarily make you qualified to do so. Remember, I too am a resource. If you didn't want my knowledge and my educated opinion, why recruit me?
But hey--that department you speak of? It consists of two people--neither of whom are you.
he isn't my guy. he's a guy. and he's wanting to try to make a portal of his own. don't know if it's the same way you made yours. haven't asked him yet. how about you give me the specs on the one you built and the results and i can check with him if any of what he's looking to do is similar.
if you're that convinced it's a waste of time to talk to him further, then that shouldn't be a problem, should it? you don't have to deal with him, i can see if it's worth making him the offer. everyone wins.
a. I don't know this guy and right now, he isn't vetted to my satisfaction enough to convince me to hand over information to him. MY guy's porter might not have worked HERE, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work in principle, and I would rather not hand a time-machine/dimension-hopper's plans to a person I don't know or trust. Who is to say that sometime in the future we don't figure out a way to go home, memories intact? Who is to say that this wouldn't come back to bite us in the asses?
b. How much DO you know about this guy who is not YOUR guy and whose Porter plan you sound like you know nothing about except that he wants to do it?
c. How much will you understand about Porter plans if he even SHOWS you his or I show you what I have? Will you be able to tell if they're similar?
I'd rather not fund some-random-guy-off-the-street's kickstarter without sufficient information. He could be just taking you for a ride.
a. then why should i hand anything of his over to you? he don't know you or me from adam neither. no reason for him to trust me if i ask for his shit so you can 'vet' it.
b. i know he wants to build a plan and he offered a list of what he'd need to do it over the net via an anonymous voice message. put up in the last day. you can find it yourself.
c. yes.
he wasn't asking for funding. he was asking for help finding parts and building what he had to from scratch. i think it's worth a shot to try it. even a failure is good for learning where not to look the next time we go hunting for an answer.
a. Unless he has transparency, why even assist him? For all you know, we could be throwing resources at someone building something more sinister.
b. That isn't a lot to know about a guy or his plan. That is a laundry list of expensive tech.
c. Very reassuring.
Funding/parts...same thing. Things cost money and things can be resold. I'm not saying the Russians are good/bad/otherwise, but there are OTHER people building porters out there--LACKEY, I'm sure the US is building their own as well--and I don't trust giving someone the means to make something as powerful as a Porter if I don't know the guy and can vouch for his intentions.
The person in that post says they've been here literally 2 hours as of their post. I've been through the Porter more than once. The guards do NOT let you look at the Porter. If he is 2 hours new, he knows nothing more about the Porter into this world than any of us. If he is even really new. Or even an imPort. They are anonymous. They are an unknown. I appreciate their desire to get off the ground running, but I for one do not trust them.
But you're making a lot of assumptions about this guy and his abilities. You fought hard for something you didn't trust. It's reckless to assist someone whose motives you don't know. You have to be cautious what you give them, what secrets you allow.
Otherwise you might give over some plutonium to a guy, expecting him to build you a bomb...and instead you end up with an empty casing made of used pinball machine parts.
Or maybe he does build a bomb--and then uses it on you.
i never said nothing about telling him about the group. we can offer support without opening up the welcome wagon and putting out a sign declaring ourselves to the world. having someone on the lower run approach him, talk to him, offer to help, assist maybe, can all be done without going public in any manner or saying they're a part of something bigger. and they can report back what they're seeing and hearing while they're at it.
not you though. someone who knows how not to make assumptions and won't run their proverbial mouth over stupid shit should do it.
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Personally, I think we'd have more luck tapping the actual Porter directly, if we could gain access. Especially with all the imPort engineers/hackers/physicists running around this world. The imPorts on the submarine spoke to the Russian's LACKEY and the lore of this world suggests Fates or gods or such brought us here. Whether our imPorting Porter is AI, otherworldly, or organic, hacking or talking to the Porter itself has the possibility to yield information we could then use to our benefit.
Rather than trying to make a Porter from scratch--AGAIN--when so many here seem to have/had the skills to do so or just plain have porter-like abilities of their own...but still haven't found a way to leave this world.
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I just strongly suspect you've never worked anywhere that had limited funding/resources.
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i know our resources better than you.
[Granted, not by much, but IO didn't need to know that.]
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Resources have a way of getting used up faster than anticipated. That, and management often decides halfway through you'd better make do with less than you'd originally been granted.
I'd like to see a budget for the project then. I'd like to see a proposal more than "I know a guy"--because who doesn't? I'd like something to compare against previous attempts to see if he's actually addressing this in a new way.
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and i belong in the 'i'm one of the ones that tells you what to do' department.
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Speaking from the point of view of a person who has conducted research: Yes, repeating experiments can be valuable and disproving through experimentation is definitely the way to go. Trial and error and making mistakes and learning IS great. However: trial and error is about trying NEW things and allowing for those failures. Don't beat a dead horse. Einstein called "doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" insanity. I won't go that far, as I don't like the word, but it IS foolish. KNOW PAST PROJECTS. Do your own research before wasting funding and rehashing and repeating what others have done before you...with no effect.
You want to back your horse in this race?--fine, but you might have asked me how track conditions were, how the race went, before, when MY horse ran (ie, oh, IO, you knew a guy who built a porter and it didn't work? might we compare notes? instead of a blind "but I still want to try")--you might also have come to this meeting with more than a vague concept, hope, and a politician-like boast of "we're going to do this thing" with no clear explanation of how or how much.
Resources we may have now--there are always an abundance of resources FOR A TIME. It is not always the case. Waste not, want not, as the adage goes.
So I am asking, as a member of your science department and therefore someone with the skills, background, and knowledge that makes me QUALIFIED TO ASK QUESTIONS AND SPEAK ABOUT THIS REGARDLESS OF PAYGRADE--to see something evaluating your "guy" and his Porter idea. To see you come up with an outline, a proposal with budget and plan BEFORE seeing anyone attempting to implement any of it. I have watched resources squandered because someone had a great idea...but no plan on how to do it, or spent more time repeating previous/similar project's design flaws because they didn't do THEIR RESEARCH/learn from someone else's mistakes.
I've dealt with a lot of people who claim the "ones that tells you what to do" department title. It doesn't necessarily make you qualified to do so. Remember, I too am a resource. If you didn't want my knowledge and my educated opinion, why recruit me?
But hey--that department you speak of? It consists of two people--neither of whom are you.
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if you're that convinced it's a waste of time to talk to him further, then that shouldn't be a problem, should it? you don't have to deal with him, i can see if it's worth making him the offer. everyone wins.
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a. I don't know this guy and right now, he isn't vetted to my satisfaction enough to convince me to hand over information to him. MY guy's porter might not have worked HERE, but that doesn't mean that it doesn't work in principle, and I would rather not hand a time-machine/dimension-hopper's plans to a person I don't know or trust. Who is to say that sometime in the future we don't figure out a way to go home, memories intact? Who is to say that this wouldn't come back to bite us in the asses?
b. How much DO you know about this guy who is not YOUR guy and whose Porter plan you sound like you know nothing about except that he wants to do it?
c. How much will you understand about Porter plans if he even SHOWS you his or I show you what I have? Will you be able to tell if they're similar?
I'd rather not fund some-random-guy-off-the-street's kickstarter without sufficient information. He could be just taking you for a ride.
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b. i know he wants to build a plan and he offered a list of what he'd need to do it over the net via an anonymous voice message. put up in the last day. you can find it yourself.
c. yes.
he wasn't asking for funding. he was asking for help finding parts and building what he had to from scratch. i think it's worth a shot to try it. even a failure is good for learning where not to look the next time we go hunting for an answer.
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b. That isn't a lot to know about a guy or his plan. That is a laundry list of expensive tech.
c. Very reassuring.
Funding/parts...same thing. Things cost money and things can be resold. I'm not saying the Russians are good/bad/otherwise, but there are OTHER people building porters out there--LACKEY, I'm sure the US is building their own as well--and I don't trust giving someone the means to make something as powerful as a Porter if I don't know the guy and can vouch for his intentions.
The person in that post says they've been here literally 2 hours as of their post. I've been through the Porter more than once. The guards do NOT let you look at the Porter. If he is 2 hours new, he knows nothing more about the Porter into this world than any of us. If he is even really new. Or even an imPort. They are anonymous. They are an unknown. I appreciate their desire to get off the ground running, but I for one do not trust them.
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But you're making a lot of assumptions about this guy and his abilities. You fought hard for something you didn't trust. It's reckless to assist someone whose motives you don't know. You have to be cautious what you give them, what secrets you allow.
Otherwise you might give over some plutonium to a guy, expecting him to build you a bomb...and instead you end up with an empty casing made of used pinball machine parts.
Or maybe he does build a bomb--and then uses it on you.
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We are not a public organization. You do not want to risk revealing Constellations for a newbie's pet porter project.
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not you though. someone who knows how not to make assumptions and won't run their proverbial mouth over stupid shit should do it.
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